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Xenrath · Jul 25, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Well since retailers are starting to advertise it and even take advanced orders, how about letting the cat out of the bag and revealing some info Anet?

Especially: is it as big as Prophecies (or close to) PvE, the number of missions, area sizes etc? As things like that will influence buying decisions this time round (after Factions did disappoint, not everyone liked it)

Prices and release dates to be expected there may be variances but content advertising needs to be addressed ASAP.

Siddious · Jul 25, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Can't wait for this chapter.
If its true what EBgames have said then I think I will be one happy bunny.

milan · Jul 25, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

If I've read the signs correctly the team creating nightfall is the same team who created chapter 1, if half of what eb site claims is true it looks like odd numbered chapters dev team ftw.

Dark Dragon · Jul 25, 2006, 11:25 AM // 11:25

odd chapters for pve, even chapter more for pvp =S

Raxxman · Jul 25, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

While I understand the extreme time pressure Anet is under, and the desire to not state some features that might not make it (like say customisable henchies), I also think that Anet could do a little better in stating what's actually happening.

Tongloid Tarthwood · Jul 25, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Yay! Create your own unique spike-team without having to go round to someone's house and kill their loved ones before they oblige to try it your way.

Yay! Make your own 8-warrior tank-team. No one dies because they've got mending.

Yay! Get your female mesmers armour off and get all 8 of them to dance in sync whilst you take screenies.

And when you're done with that, kill them in all in HvH!

SirJackassIII · Jul 25, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Quote:

• Customizable Heroes (party NPCs) that level up with the player, follow player instructions in combat, and use armor, weapons, and skills of the player’s choice.

• A new game type, Hero vs. Hero Battles will allow a single player to participate in PvP with hero NPCs.

Uhh...
/insert crappy 5-min Paint job

So..like that? We get to beat the Elite 4 too?

*Alesiashu is now level 15!*
*Alesiashu is trying to learn a new skill "WORD OF HEALING"*
*However, Alesiashu already knows 5 skills. Should one skill be forgotten to make room for WORD OF HEALING? *
*yes/no*
*which skill should be forgotten?*
*1, 2, 3... and... poof! Alesiashu forgot RUSH INTO BATTLE*
*And...*
*Alesiash learned WORD OF HEALING*

But since it won't be retro-activ, we can only dream...

G4rgoyle · Jul 25, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Very nice

Xenrath · Jul 25, 2006, 12:31 PM // 12:31

I can see why it would be useful to customise henchie skill sets, but I don't think it should be a major point about the game. After all, it's supposed to be an online game playing with/against other human players.

I've noticed Factions, aside from being relatively empty compared to the height of Prophecies popularity, there were a lot more people running around with full teams of henchies or mostly henchies. Just my thoughts, but that seems to be against the whole idea of the game... it's not "Bot Wars" surely.

Part of that admittedly is down to not enough people around, and also the quest/mission structure isn't very good - go to one place to do part of the story; then you can map to a town you've already been to to continue iet (net result, people have already left the party by then thinking it's over, and continue with henchies)

I hope that's one trend that is seriously reversed and it goes back to the (mostly) human teams of Prophecies.

Slainster · Jul 25, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

/excited .. this is appealing more than factions

WasAGuest · Jul 25, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

I can see why it would be useful to customise henchie skill sets, but I don't think it should be a major point about the game. After all, it's supposed to be an online game playing with/against other human players.

I've noticed Factions, aside from being relatively empty compared to the height of Prophecies popularity, there were a lot more people running around with full teams of henchies or mostly henchies. Just my thoughts, but that seems to be against the whole idea of the game... it's not "Bot Wars" surely.

Part of that admittedly is down to not enough people around, and also the quest/mission structure isn't very good - go to one place to do part of the story; then you can map to a town you've already been to to continue iet (net result, people have already left the party by then thinking it's over, and continue with henchies)

I hope that's one trend that is seriously reversed and it goes back to the (mostly) human teams of Prophecies.

Due to the quality of PuGs henchies are the only option I have if no friends and guildies are on. I've been burned so often by:

afker: those jerks that join a mission or quest and then sit there not doing anything
map unlockers: those jerks that rather than take henchies to unlock that single spot of the map, join the mission, run off to unlock the map, run back to the group followed by several groups of mobs, then map out causing the rest of the group to wipe out.
cap droppers: the jerks who join a group and without saying a word, cap the elite they wanted then drop from group.

A great example is Dragon's Lair. Took me two weeks to kill glint with my monk as each time I tried when the group made it to Glint, there was about 2 to 3 of us left.

So now it's henchies, friends/guildies or I log off in frustration. I do not trust PuGs and will never PuG again while I'm playing GW. If the option to henchie it is someday gone, I will just stop playing or work on attempting to solo.

evox the evil · Jul 25, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

finally! i can keep the healer hench from trying to tank everything!

and im a excited about the new skills most of them will prolly be the new classes. skills i hope not tho cause i wanna pmip my warrior out with new elites

Neriandal Freit · Jul 25, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

I wonder if the 'Outcast God' is the former God of Death?

Siberian · Jul 25, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jetdoc

They don't have to stick with the same skill numbers as Factions, ya know...

70 Dervish
70 Paragon
20 x 8 current professions
300

No they don't but it's pretty likely. Because as you have just layed it out there your putting the Nightfall exclusive characters at a disadvantage.

They will have 10 less skills then those introduced in Factions.

By your math the next campaign would be what?

65 New Class A
65 New Class B
20 x 10
300

Gee, wouldn't that be great for the new classes. How long before either Anet has to put more effort into every campaign to constantly increase the number of skills they have to come up with? It would quickly get out of control.

It's pretty clear I think that when you think about it there's many reasons why Assassin's and Ritualists won't be getting new abilities in Nightfall except for whatever core class may be their secondary.

Xenrath · Jul 25, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by WasAGuest

If the option to henchie it is someday gone, I will just stop playing or work on attempting to solo.

I quite understand and relate to the quality issues. Hence I agree fixing up the henchies is a good thing, so long as they undo some of the things which have made human team building less friendly e.g. quests/missions which cause you to map back and forth to previous towns - thus people dropping from the party at the first half. The players themselves will always be variable; that's just the internet, you'll have good and bad. However, there were definately some things in Factions which seemed to have had a negative effect (more so) on human parties forming.

Ideally it should be both human party friendly (and at least not discourage it, maybe encourate it a bit more) as well as having capable henchie replacements for when you don't want to team up with humans.

Siberian · Jul 25, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenrath

I've noticed Factions, aside from being relatively empty compared to the height of Prophecies popularity, there were a lot more people running around with full teams of henchies or mostly henchies. Just my thoughts, but that seems to be against the whole idea of the game... it's not "Bot Wars" surely.

Ya, too bad in my experience the Henchmen are a ton smarter in PvE then the Players.

Case in point, Luxon Mission, Escorting Turtles from the hatchery.

I tried this mission 6x with different groups of players, blew 4 hours trying to get past it. Never succeeded.

I said f**k it and grabbed me a full party of henchmen. Not only did I finish the mission, but I got a Master's level completion.

some guy · Jul 25, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

yeah we can controll henchies now, no more random agroing!!!

frickett · Jul 25, 2006, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Customizable henchies. They sound great, but wont that make it even harder to get into a decent group?

beanerman_99 · Jul 25, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Can't wait for the Customizable henches. The one command I have been longing for is STAY!!! Hopefully it will be much easier to control aggro and battles when soloing with henchs.

The Story sounds so-so. I will hold judgement on it until release. I do hope it has more emotion and feeling to it instead of an almost dry commentary. And one hint Anet. Hire better voice actors!!

....and make the cut scenes better. Factions seem very stiff and almost puppet-like.

The hero battle will be interesting...new title for this?

Ricebox · Jul 25, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

WTF! You know what im thinking??

Well theoretically, if we could customize our heroes, that would definitely mean they would have their own inventory! if that's the case! good bye to solo farming! why?

well if you can control your heroes' inventory and also customize them, you can actually see the drops they get or pick up just like the current henchies! and whatever drop they get, is yours! well this is all theoretical for now!